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Monday, July 26, 2021

How to Improve German Fiscal Policy Without Removing the Schuldenbremse

AI Summary. Nearly all net new German jobs since 1995 have been part-time, and the country's large trade surpluses indicate consumer spending and business investment are insufficient relative to domestic production. The authors argue that treating part-time workers as available for extra hours and closing the roughly 9-point gender employment gap would create fiscal space under Germany's debt brake.

Matthew Klein The Overshoot
Date Posted:
July 26, 2021
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Germany’s job market has seen a significant shift since 1995, with nearly all new jobs being part-time, highlighting a structural issue in its labor market. @M_C_Klein suggests addressing this issue could provide Germany with additional fiscal space under the Schuldenbremse.

Can employing underused workers create fiscal space under Germany's debt brake?

Core argument: Nearly all net new German jobs created since 1995 have been part-time, which the author identifies as a structural issue in Germany's labor market.

Since 1995, Germany's job market has seen a significant shift, with nearly all new jobs being part-time, highlighting a structural issue in its labor market. This trend reflects broader economic challenges, such as Germany's massive trade surpluses, which indicate insufficient consumer spending and business investment relative to domestic production. The employment gap between German women and men, about 9 percentage points in 2019, further underscores the underutilization of the workforce. Addressing these issues could involve modest policy adjustments, such as assuming part-time workers are willing to work extra hours and aligning gender employment gaps with Scandinavian levels. These changes could provide Germany with additional fiscal space under the Schuldenbremse [debt brake], allowing for more expansive fiscal policies without constitutional amendments. Such measures could help Germany operate closer to its economic potential, fostering growth and reducing reliance on part-time employment.

Takeaways by Macro Roundup® AI

  1. Nearly all net new German jobs created since 1995 have been part-time, which the author identifies as a structural issue in Germany's labor market.
  2. The employment gap between German women and men stood at about 9 percentage points in 2019, which the author reads as underutilization of the workforce, alongside trade surpluses indicating consumer spending and business investment are insufficient relative to domestic production.
  3. Assuming part-time workers are willing to work extra hours and aligning Germany's gender employment gap with Scandinavian levels could create additional fiscal space under the Schuldenbremse without constitutional amendments.

Matt Klein offers up evidence that German fiscal policy needs a sea change as the German economy is likely under its potential, "...Germany’s massive trade surpluses—which reflect insufficient consumer spending and business investment relative to domestic production—and its poor track record of creating full-time jobs since the end of reunification both suggest that the German economy is operating far below its potential....Replace the “non-accelerating wage rate of unemployment”, which was 3.4% in Germany in 2019, with the actual 2019 unemployment rate after subtracting the number of long-term jobless (1.2%)...Assume that the employment gap between German women and German men (about 9 percentage points in 2019) should be comparable to the gaps in Scandinavian countries (about 3 percentage points)...Assume that many part-time workers would be willing and able to work an extra 1-2 hours each day…”

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Matthew Klein, "How to Improve German Fiscal Policy Without Removing the Schuldenbremse," The Overshoot, July 22, 2021, https://theovershoot.co/p/how-to-improve-german-fiscal-policy

How to Improve German Fiscal Policy Without Removing the Schuldenbremse

Much of Europe has been locked into decades of stagnation thanks to misguided ideas about how much governments should be allowed to spend and borrow. Instead of investing in growth and supporting household consumption, the public sector has systematically taxed too much and spent too little.1

Those harmful ideas have supporters everywhere, but the most influential proponents of needless austerity have been Germany’s business, academic, and policy elites. They were the ones who:

Led the push for public borrowing limits and prohibitions on “excessive deficits” in the Maastricht Treaty that created the European Union in 1992

Demanded that those limits be permanently enforced through regular monitoring and a system of penalties with the 1997 Stability and Growth Pact (SGP)

Inserted the Schuldenbremse, or “debt brake,” into Germany’s Basic Law in 2009

Exported that law to Germany’s neighbors by convincing them to agree to the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union (the Fiscal Compact)

Kept German fiscal policy even tighter than required since 20142

While there were always Germans who opposed this consensus, they have long been in the minority. Ironically, German leaders were among the first to realize that the macroeconomic stance imposed by the European Central Bank and the SGP in the early 2000s would mire the country in stagnation, with Chancellor Gerhard Schröder calling for lower interest rates and exemptions to the strict limits on budget deficits.

But Schröder failed, and his successors—some of whom had helped designed those institutions in the first place—convinced themselves and the general public that “fiscal discipline” was helpful rather than harmful. Thus it was the center-left Social Democrat Peer Steinbrück who developed the Schuldenbremse when he was finance minister in 2005-2009.

Ahead of September’s federal elections, only the Greens have committed explicitly in their platform to altering the debt brake. They want to carve out an exemption for investments “in modern infrastructure and mobility, in energy conservation and energy-efficient construction, in education, research and innovation.”

So it’s worth paying attention to an intriguing new paper from Philippa Sigl-Glöckner, Max Krahé, Pola Schneemelcher, Florian Schuster, Viola Hilbert, and Henrika Meyer published by the Dezernat Zukunft’s Institute for Macrofinance. The whole thing is worth reading in full for its treatment of everything that’s wrong with the establishment consensus, as well as where Germany ought to end up.

Unsurprisingly, their preferred solution involves rewriting Germany’s constitution and the European treaties. That’s not an impossible hurdle—and is clearly the optimal solution—but it’s a big challenge. Fortunately, the authors show that it’s possible to shift to a less austere fiscal posture without altering Germany’s federal constitution or the treaties. A lot can be accomplished with a few technical tweaks to “the inputs to the calculation of potential output.”

The Potential of “Potential”

Article 109 of Germany’s Basic Law states that “the Federation and Länder may introduce rules intended to take into account, symmetrically in times of upswing and downswing, the effects of market developments that deviate from normal conditions,” while Article 115 gives the government discretion over “the procedure for the calculation of the yearly limit on net borrowing, taking into account the economic cycle.”

The big question is how to determine what’s “normal.” It’s more art (or pseudoscience) than science. But the ambiguity also provides an opportunity to reshape German—and perhaps even European—fiscal policy.

German law gives the task of estimating the Konjunkturkomponente (the cyclical component) to the finance ministry, which in turn uses a methodology developed in consultation with the European Commission. If the German economy is running below the official estimate of “potential,” Germany’s federal deficit can be bigger than the constitutional maximum of 0.35% of national income, while the states can also borrow more than their target deficit of zero.

The self-imposed budget limits across the rest of Europe are similarly based on estimates of each country’s “output gap,” with governments in economies with large output gaps having more flexibility than those that are ostensibly close to potential.

This flowchart from the paper explains how Germany’s borrowing rule is applied in practice:

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As Sigl-Glöckner and her co-authors note, different methods for estimating potential could give governments in Germany and the rest of Europe substantially more fiscal space. Germany’s massive trade surpluses—which reflect insufficient consumer spending and business investment relative to domestic production—and its poor track record of creating full-time jobs since the end of reunification both suggest that the German economy is operating far below its potential.

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Moreover, properly counting public and private investment in physical and human capital as measures that increase potential output could even transform infrastructure, R&D, and education spending from burdens on the budget into line items that would largely pay for themselves under a different interpretation of the existing treaties. That could help reverse Europe’s long-running public investment shortage—and even save lives. Germany’s recent floods were so deadly in part because of years of cuts to the number of municipal warning sirens that could have alerted people to evacuate.

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Unfortunately, that’s not how “potential” works today

When I started The Overshoot, I pointed out the massive gap between what forecasters had reasonably expected on the eve of the financial crisis and what ended up happening. Rather than treating this as an ongoing catastrophe, most official forecasters have responded by progressively lowering their expectations of the global economy’s “potential.” See, for example, the Congressional Budget Office’s continual downgrades of what the U.S. economy can do.3

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European technocrats have been even worse than their American counterparts, treating the ongoing depressions in Greece, Italy, and Spain as essentially inevitable and unfixable. That’s why those governments have been under relentless pressure from the European Commission to tighten their budgets and pay down their debts despite persistent sky-high joblessness. Robin Brooks, the chief economist of the Institute for International Finance, has been engaged for years in what he calls a “Campaign Against Nonsense Output Gaps”, to little avail.

Perhaps the most egregious model—which thankfully isn’t used anywhere to calibrate monetary or fiscal policy—is the one developed by Federal Reserve economists Kathryn Holston, Thomas Laubach, and John Williams (currently the President of the New York Fed) to estimate what they call R*, or the “natural rate of interest.”4 The HLW model implies that many rich countries were running “above potential” for years after the financial crisis.

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The root problem is that estimates of “potential” are often reverse-engineered to explain past changes in the rate of inflation. If the inflation rate is steady, the economy is assumed to be around its potential. Accelerating inflation—even if it’s simply returning to the central bank’s target rate—is interpreted as a signal that an economy is operating “above potential.” But inflation tends to be both mean-reverting and stable regardless of economic conditions, which is why most models show economies returning to something close to their “potential” no matter what actually happens to production, employment, or living standards.

As Sigl-Glöckner and her co-authors put it, “ does not provide a well-founded direction for fiscal policy.” Estimates and models are repeatedly modified to generate “a minimum level of economic and political plausibility,” with the European Commission essentially turning off the computer during the pandemic to “to avoid implausibly large reductions in potential output.”

But it doesn’t have to be that way. Sigl-Glöckner and her co-authors suggest three small tweaks that would immediately help:

Replace the “non-accelerating wage rate of unemployment”, which was 3.4% in Germany in 2019, with the actual 2019 unemployment rate after subtracting the number of long-term jobless (1.2%)

Assume that the employment gap between German women and German men (about 9 percentage points in 2019) should be comparable to the gaps in Scandinavian countries (about 3 percentage points)

Assume that many part-time workers would be willing and able to work an extra 1-2 hours each day

Those modest changes would give the German government a bit of extra fiscal space once the debt brake turns back on in 2023, although not very much. Sigl-Glöckner and her co-authors think that “a full capacity utilisation fiscal policy requires, in the medium term, that the very architecture of rules built around output gaps, however calculated, should be abandoned.”

I’m not as pessimistic as they are about what could be accomplished solely by adopting a more expansive view of economic potential, although getting through my preferred changes might be more contentious than their proposed tweaks. But even their approach could have a substantial effect if adopted more widely across Europe.

More than half of all the unemployed in Italy are long-term unemployed, as are more than 70% of the unemployed in Greece. More than 20% of the “extended labor force” in Greece, Italy, and Spain were counted as unemployed or underemployed at the end of 2019. In France, the number was 17%. Even in Austria, the Netherlands, and Scandinavia, the “slack” in the job market represented more than 10% of the potential workforce. Those numbers are all far higher than in Germany.

There’s no substitute for changing minds

Europe’s harmful fiscal rules were the product of a misguided elite consensus. So while creatively reinterpreting those rules could accomplish a lot, replacing the underlying consensus that drove the continent into years of needless austerity is probably a necessary prerequisite.

There are hints that this could already be happening. Klaas Knot, the head of the Dutch central bank—normally a bastion of European conservatism—recently argued that “the SGP should be sufficiently flexible to allow for sizable and sustained expansionary fiscal policy, beyond normal automatic stabilization, if economic circumstances so dictate” and that governments “should also increase potential economic growth that ultimately generates the debt repayment capacity…by maintaining a sufficient level of public investment.”

Other officials at the European Central Bank have been calling for more expansive fiscal policy, and the ECB as a whole just pledged to underwrite a looser approach by committing to keep interest rates “at their present or lower levels” for years.

The laggards are the political leaders in the major economies, most notably in Germany. Hopefully the new paper from Sigl-Glöckner and her co-authors will help move the needle there.

1 The problem afflicts much of the rich world, not just Europe, but this piece is primarily about Europe and the problem is worst in Europe.

2 If you want to learn a lot more about those policy choices and their impact on Germany and the world, I recommend reading Trade Wars Are Class Wars.

3 In my previous piece, I looked at how some simple assumptions could lift the size of America’s latent labor force by more than 16% from what’s currently assumed by the Congressional Budget Office. That would go a long way to closing the gap between their forecasts of potential GDP from 2007 and more recently.

4 Whether such a thing exists is a topic for another time.

Ed Comment:That’s what happens if you make hiring more costly. Companies hire less/differently. Hard to see why min wage would be different.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021

Masters Degrees Are the Second Biggest Scam in Higher Education

AI Summary. Master's degree programs have become a revenue source for universities, with no federal cap on graduate loans allowing students to accumulate large debts — reaching $300,000 in cases such as Columbia's fine arts program. Online program managers capture up to 70% of tuition revenue funded largely by government loans.

Jordan Weissmann Slate
Date Posted:
July 27, 2021
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@JordanWeissmann Masters degrees have become a lucrative venture for universities, with students accumulating unsustainable debt. Stronger regulation is needed, including a cap on borrowing & loan forgiveness, to prevent excessive student debt.

Do uncapped graduate loans let universities profit from student debt?

Core argument: Graduate borrowing faces no federal loan cap, allowing master's students to accumulate debt reaching $300,000 in cases such as Columbia's MFA program, according to the author.

The master's degree market has become a lucrative venture for universities, blurring the line between nonprofit and for-profit education. With no federal cap on loans for graduate programs, students often accumulate unsustainable debt, as seen in cases like Columbia's MFA program where debt can reach $300,000. This situation is exacerbated by online program managers (OPMs) that take up to 70% of tuition revenue, funded largely by government loans. The lack of transparency and regulation allows institutions to exploit their brand names without accountability. To mitigate this, stronger regulation is needed, including a cap on borrowing and loan forgiveness, and increased transparency on program effectiveness and selectivity. This would prevent the federal government from funding programs that lead to excessive student debt, ultimately protecting both students and taxpayers.

Takeaways by Macro Roundup® AI

  1. Graduate borrowing faces no federal loan cap, allowing master's students to accumulate debt reaching $300,000 in cases such as Columbia's MFA program, according to the author.
  2. Online program managers capture up to 70% of tuition revenue from master's programs funded largely by government loans, according to the author.
  3. The author calls for stronger regulation of master's programs, including a borrowing cap, loan forgiveness, and disclosure of program effectiveness and selectivity, to stop federal funding of programs that produce excessive student debt.

Jordan Weissmann, "Master’s Degrees Are the Second Biggest Scam in Higher Education," Slate, July 16, 2021, https://slate.com/business/2021/07/masters-degrees-debt-loans-worth-it.html

Master’s Degrees Are the Second Biggest Scam in Higher Education

Last week, the Wall Street Journal published a troubling exposé on the crushing debt burdens that students accumulate while pursuing master’s degrees at elite universities in fields like drama and film, where the job prospects are limited and the chances of making enough to repay their debt are slim. Because it focused on MFA programs at Ivy League schools—one subject accumulated around $300,000 in loans pursuing screenwriting—the article rocketed around the creative class on Twitter. But it also pointed to a more fundamental, troubling development in the world of higher education: For colleges and universities, master’s degrees have essentially become an enormous moneymaking scheme, wherein the line between for-profit and nonprofit education has been utterly blurred. There are, of course, good programs as well as bad ones, but when you scope out, there is clearly a systemic problem.

Few have written more convincingly on this topic than Kevin Carey, director of the education policy program at New America. As a journalist and think tanker, he’s argued for years that “universities see master’s degree programs as largely unregulated cash cows that help shore up their bottom line,” and shown how even schools like Harvard offer effectively predatory programs. The rise of online learning has only supercharged the problem, by allowing universities to parlay their brands nationally and internationally in order to enroll students at an industrial scale.

In 2019, Carey took a long, dispiriting look at the rise of so-called online program managers, or OPMs—the private companies like 2U that major universities from Yale to small schools like Oregon’s Concordia University use to build their online offerings. These companies design and operate courses on behalf of schools—sometimes essentially offering a class in a box—that the university can slap its branding on. The OPM then takes as much as 70 percent of tuition revenue. That money is largely being funded with government loans, which may never be paid back.

After reading the Journal’s article, I called up Carey to ask him his thoughts on the current state of the master’s degree market, and what should be done to fix it.

Jordan Weissmann: I feel like you have been methodically building up this thesis—which you would never quite put this bluntly—that master’s degrees are basically the biggest scam in higher education, and it seems like prestigious nonprofit universities are in on the grift along with for-profits. Would you say that’s an accurate description of your take at this point, or have I wildly distorted it?

Kevin Carey: Probably the biggest scam in higher education remains one-year certificates offered by shady for-profit colleges that cost, like, $25,000 and don’t lead to a job. Master’s degrees are probably No. 2. Certainly, within the confines of colleges that are not legally for-profit, they are the biggest scam by far.

Right, and what makes master’s degrees a little different from those one-year certificate programs that are offered by fly-by-night schools is that they are being delivered by Ivy League universities and online schools alike.

In some ways, they’re more similar than they might seem. Many of them are one-year certificate programs. We don’t call them that. We call them master’s degrees, but that’s part of the problem. They are in fact often one-year job-oriented programs that are heavily debt-financed, marketed very aggressively through online web advertising. They purport to provide very specific economic opportunities in a given field. It’s just one are being marketed to students who just graduated from high school and the other are being marketed to people who just graduated with bachelor’s degrees, but other than that, they’re kind of the same.

Can you give me examples of the types of programs you’re talking about?

The Columbia School of Journalism offers what is essentially a 10-month master’s degree that costs $70,000 or something like that. It starts in September, ends in June. You can only do so much in less than a year. It’s completely a career-oriented degree. There are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of programs out there.

One of the reasons that universities are able to be exploitative in the master’s degree market is because they’re not constrained in the same way that they are in the market for bachelor’s degrees. If you’re offering bachelor’s degrees, they all have to be four years long. You don’t have a two-year bachelor’s degree or a six-year bachelor’s degree. You have to publicly publish your acceptance rates, your average SAT scores, so to the extent that you’re selling selectivity, you actually have to back it up with data, whereas in the master’s degree market, you can call almost anything a master’s degree. Master’s degree programs do not have to publish their admission statistics, which creates, I think, an enormous temptation for institutions that have very attractive brand names, that are attractive in no insignificant part because their undergraduate programs are very selective, to open up the floodgates on the master’s side and pay no penalty in the market because people don’t know they’re doing it.

I want to talk a little bit about the Wall Street Journal article that drew so much attention last week. It was focused very much on MFA programs at Columbia University, specifically, and the gargantuan sums of debt some of those students pursuing degrees in film were accumulating…

I think there are two big things that are both very risky for students overlapping in the case of those Columbia MFAs. First, just in general across higher education, charging people a ton of money to go into any artistic career is often super problematic. If you look at the list of schools that have just terrible outcomes in terms of earnings, loan default rates—art schools across the board, for-profit, nonprofit. The phrase starving artist exists in the vernacular for a reason.

Then, the other is just the broader ability of institutions of all kinds to set up profit-making master’s degrees, which is fueled in no small part because of the very specific change that was made in federal student loan policy about, I guess it was now 15 years or so ago, where the federal government removed any limits on how much money you can borrow to go to graduate school, other than whatever graduate school happens to cost.

If you are an undergraduate, you can only borrow a certain amount of money from the federal government to go to get a bachelor’s degree, and that’s very specifically because they don’t want people to overborrow. In graduate school, you can borrow not only the full cost of tuition, but also room, board, living expenses, which, in a city, could be tens of thousands or more dollars per year, regardless of how much money you already owe to the federal government, by the way, and regardless of whether you have any real prospect of paying it back.

Why did they make that change?

Well, partly for a really bad reason, which is that grad students in the main pay their loans back at a higher rate than people in other parts of the system, and they charge higher interest rates, which means it’s scored as making money for the federal government. So you throw this into the mix of whatever budget deal you’re striking and there was more money to spend.

Also, there’s this sort of sense of, well, if they don’t do this, they’re going to go and get private loans, and so better to have a federal loan where you have a lot more options than with private loans in terms of forbearance and deferments and income-based repayment and potentially loan forgiveness. But what has happened is that you’re essentially creating an unlimited spigot of money that can be used to fund graduate programs, which just creates an enormous moral hazard for colleges and universities when it comes to creating these programs.

Do you think there is something to that argument, though, that if the federal government did not offer unlimited student loans to grad students that they would go to a company like SoFi or to whichever private lender would offer it?

You’re just making trade-offs at that point, and I would say you’re balancing access and the cost of borrowing against the danger of overborrowing, and I would argue that if you want to go to a graduate program and you exhaust what would surely be pretty generous limits on federal graduate lending, if we go back to limits, and you can’t find anyone to lend you the rest of the money on nonterrible terms, maybe you shouldn’t go to that graduate program.

One point you’ve made at length, especially in a really great article for HuffPost a couple years back, is that it’s gotten really difficult to tell the difference between for-profit and not-for-profit higher education when it comes to master’s degrees. You write about the rise of online program managers—essentially private companies that operate behind the scenes and quietly run online master’s degrees on behalf of nonprofits, whether it’s USC or a small Bible college. Do you think for-profit and not-for-profit institutions should be regulated the same way now?

I think, from a regulatory standpoint, all master’s programs should be treated as for-profit, because I think they essentially are. I think if you just look at what nonprofit and public institutions charge in master’s programs, they are charging market rates. There’s really not much difference between them, just whatever the market can bear. I think they act like for-profit companies in the way they engage in marketing. They are profit maximizers. Their pricing decisions don’t reflect some public mission in terms of affordability or anything like that.

Here’s a funny example. The Obama administration promulgated these regulations called the gainful employment rule, which only applied to for-profit colleges or programs that were specifically job-oriented at nonprofit schools. It’s pretty simple. It just looks at how much money people borrow from a program and how much they earn after they finish. If the debt is so much bigger than the earnings that students could never pay their loans back, that’s bad.

Harvard University, when this regulation was first put in place, had an MFA program that showed up as being bad under the gainful employment regulations. I wrote about it in the New York Times. Only because the program happened to be affiliated with a drama school that was sort of Harvard-adjacent, because of this quirky legal status, they were subject to these new regulations and the numbers looked just as bad as the ones from Columbia that we saw last week: Lots and lots of debt for very little earnings because, news flash, there’s not a lot of money in being a stage actor, particularly early in your career, or probably any point in your career.

So, yes, I think any master’s program should be treated as for-profit and regulated that way. The fact that colleges have, over the last five or 10 years, very aggressively moved to enter into business relationships with for-profit corporations that do all of the marketing, much of the online infrastructure, all of the things that you have to do to basically grow a program at scale, and in some cases give those corporations up to 70 percent of their tuition revenue, just, I think, underlines the fact that this distinction between for-profit and nonprofit in the master’s degree space especially has become all but meaningless.

To what extent are online master’s degrees driving the market now?

The statistic you hear is that we’re at the point where, probably, at least half of all enrollments in master’s degree programs are online, way more than undergraduate, and probably more than doctoral programs, because doctoral programs tend to be much more intensive with relationships to mentors and faculty, and a lot of doctoral students teach on campus. A lot of that just makes total sense and has nothing to do with anyone doing anything dastardly. It’s just people who get master’s degrees often or maybe even usually are working. They’re older. They often have families. They have jobs. It’s a lot more convenient for them to study online.

However, where online does intersect with the more troublesome parts of this issue is that gave colleges with valuable brand names an opportunity to monetize those brands in a way that never existed before, so you could be a very famous college that everyone knows about and people want to attend, but before the internet you could only more or less serve people who were able to travel and live where you were. Now, all of a sudden, you can have a global brand name that can be accessed globally, and the whole premise of the for-profit OPM market is that all of the money in online education is at scale.

Who do you think the victims are here, in the end? Is it students? Is it the taxpayer? Is it all of the above? Who gets the worst end of this deal?

It’s certainly not the colleges. They get paid upfront. They bear no risk in these transactions. The students certainly are being victimized. Their trust is being exploited. People have been instructed by the culture that they should trust colleges, and that trust is being turned into money by colleges with very little thought for the consequences, and the American taxpayer is going to pay part of this bill.

It is the federal government that is lending the vast majority of loans used to pay for graduate school. Anyone who reads about how we have $1.7 trillion in outstanding student loan debt should always keep in mind that almost half of all new student loans in particular are for graduate school, not for undergraduate. You hear somebody that’s got $200,000 or $300,000 in debt, they almost surely went to graduate school. They didn’t borrow that much money from the Department of Education to get a bachelor’s degree. How it’s going to play out in terms of who’s actually going to pay their loans back is complicated both because it takes a long time to pay loans back, also because so many graduate students are now enrolled in income-based loan repayment programs that in theory offer the promise of loan forgiveness.

What is your ideal solution here? We’ve talked about limiting federal loans for graduate degree programs. You’ve mentioned possibly regulating master’s degree programs the same way you would a for-profit college program, so kind of a gainful employment rule. But what’s your ideal solution?

We need a stronger regulatory hand in the master’s degree market. One, I would put a cap on how much money you can borrow to go to graduate school. I would put a cap on how much of your graduate school loans can be forgiven under any kind of loan forgiveness program, so we’re not in this situation of unlimited money, because I think unlimited money is a moral hazard. We need more transparency around how selective are graduate programs, how effective are they in helping people get jobs in their field and pay their loans back, and we need to regulate programs around their effectiveness.

We can’t just rely on the market to provide all of the quality discipline that master’s programs need. I think it’s completely reasonable to say that if a master’s degree program consistently induces students to borrow far more money than they can ever afford to pay back, the federal government should not be in the business of lending those students money.

Pretty much the end of the MFA program.

Maybe. Again, the numbers have to add up somehow, and right now they’re just not adding up for the students. They’re adding up for the colleges. The only defense the colleges really have to offer is “We need the money.” Well, everyone needs money. That’s not a defense in and of itself.

“…We need a stronger regulatory hand in the master’s degree market. One, I would put a cap on how much money you can borrow to go to graduate school. I would put a cap on how much of your graduate school loans can be forgiven under any kind of loan forgiveness program, so we’re not in this situation of unlimited money, because I think unlimited money is a moral hazard. We need more transparency around how selective are graduate programs, how effective are they in helping people get jobs in their field and pay their loans back, and we need to regulate programs around their effectiveness.We can’t just rely on the market to provide all of the quality discipline that master’s programs need. I think it’s completely reasonable to say that if a master’s degree program consistently induces students to borrow far more money than they can ever afford to pay back, the federal government should not be in the business of lending those students money….”

Ed Comment:"Sadly, I think this is just another liberal lie--that raising the lending and loan forgiveness for college is necessary a good thing. What also saddens me is that liberals can spread destructive lies like this and be lauded by the media and IUs, while the same group of people condemn Trump for spreading lies about election fraud for example. Surely Trump sees the thick lies intentionally spread by the Dems (and Repubs) and says: why shouldn't I engage those tactics too? Trump is condemned, but no one else is, at least not to the same degree despite the lies being so thick. I'm not debating which is worse. Nor am I defending Trump. I'm condemning the destructiveness of the double standard and the inability of the media and UIs to recognize the similarity, and to demand what's best for America in all cases. The government loaning students $70k to buy a useless Columbia credential, that really isn't a credential because there are no standards and then forgiving the loan is nothing more than buying votes and lining the pockets of special interests using the media to propagandize the UIs. It's a blatantly cynical scam. (I don't understand why you two guys fall for it, i.e.,, as seeing Trump as different vs just more of the same.) Ben, I vaguely recall you telling me for-profit colleges were different the other day. From my perspective, I don't see much, if any, difference."

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Is a Graduate Degree Worth the Debt? Check It Here

AI Summary. Debt-to-income ratios for US graduate programs vary widely by school, with graduates of some prestigious institutions taking on debt exceeding their post-graduation earnings. University of Southern California master's in public health graduates carry 2.5x the debt of California State University, Long Beach graduates despite similar earnings two years out.

James Benedict Wall Street Journal
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July 27, 2021
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@WSJ highlights the economic implications of pursuing a graduate degree by examining the debt-to-income ratio across various programs and degree levels. Data reveals that graduates from prestigious institutions often incur debt exceeding their post-graduation earnings capacity.

Does graduate program debt relative to earnings vary widely by school?

Core argument: University of Southern California graduates with a master's in public health carry 2.5 times more debt than California State University, Long Beach graduates in the same field, despite similar earnings two years after graduation, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The Wall Street Journal highlights the economic implications of pursuing a graduate degree by examining the debt-to-income ratio across various programs and degree levels. Data reveals that graduates from prestigious institutions often incur debt exceeding their post-graduation earnings capacity. For instance, University of Southern California (USC) graduates with a master's in public health have 2.5 times more debt than their counterparts from California State University, Long Beach, despite similar earnings two years post-graduation. This disparity underscores the importance of evaluating the long-term financial impact of graduate education. The Journal's tool allows users to compare debt-to-income ratios for undergraduate, master's, doctorate, and professional degrees nationwide, providing valuable insights for prospective students, economists, and policymakers. Such data-driven analysis is crucial for understanding the broader economic effects of educational debt and guiding informed decision-making regarding higher education investments.

Takeaways by Macro Roundup® AI

  1. University of Southern California graduates with a master's in public health carry 2.5 times more debt than California State University, Long Beach graduates in the same field, despite similar earnings two years after graduation, according to The Wall Street Journal.
  2. The Wall Street Journal's data indicate that graduates of prestigious institutions often incur debt exceeding their post-graduation earnings capacity.
  3. The Wall Street Journal's tool lets users compare debt-to-income ratios nationwide across undergraduate, master's, doctorate, and professional degree programs.

James Benedict, Andrea Fuller and Lindsay Huth, "Is a Graduate Degree Worth the Debt? Check It Here,"Wall Street Journal, July 15, 2021, https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-a-graduate-degree-worth-the-debt-check-it-here-11626355788

Is a Graduate Degree Worth the Debt? Check It Here

Lured by the aura of degrees from top-flight institutions, many master’s degree students have taken on debt beyond what their pay after graduation would support. This finding was detailed recently in an article published by The Wall Street Journal.

Unanswered was the question of how all the nation’s universities compare. To answer it, the Journal assembled data that allows you to look up students’ earnings after graduation, compared to their debt load, for most universities. You can use the tool to compare undergraduate degrees, as well as master’s, doctorate and professional degrees.

Here’s an example of how it works. The University of Southern California and California State University, Long Beach, both located in Los Angeles County, each offer a master’s in public health—a degree that became increasingly popular during the pandemic.

These are students’ median earnings two years after graduation at every one of 123 schools that offer a master’s in public health, according to Education Department data on federal loan borrowers.

Recent graduates of the California State University, Long Beach and the University of Southern California made similar incomes.

But USC graduates left school with 2.5 times as much debt as Cal State Long Beach graduates.

In other words, USC’s debt-to-income ratio is far greater than Cal State Long Beach’s. The higher the ratio, the higher the debt is compared to the income students earn after graduation.

USC said tracking graduates after a longer period will better measure the impact of the public-health program, and that the school’s own salary figures are higher than those published by the Education Department, which come from federal tax records.

Cal State Long Beach said the school’s graduates benefit from low debt loads across the board and that their degrees lead to enhanced lifetime earnings.

The tool below compares the debt-to-income ratio of programs around the country.

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